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]]> By: JCBlakeney http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29343 JCBlakeney Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:51:34 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29343 You're still putting words in my mouth. When a woman becomes pregnant, I'm not insinuating that her rights should end, I'm arguing that the rights of another human being have come into effect. That unborn person (biologically proven) has rights inalienable. At that time, you may do many things to your body that noone can stop you from. But, ending that child's life is just that- ending a life<br>I am fully aware that too many 'men' are not actually men, if you follow me. I am fully in support of harsher penalties on derelict 'fathers', and am active in the lives of youth in my community, frequently coming in contact with young guys who need counseling in that area. Where's the call? I'm making it and noone's saying you shouldn't either- please do. Its a needed call, and an essential one to tackle the overall problem of a loss of personal responsibility amongst Americans. You're still putting words in my mouth. When a woman becomes pregnant, I'm not insinuating that her rights should end, I'm arguing that the rights of another human being have come into effect. That unborn person (biologically proven) has rights inalienable. At that time, you may do many things to your body that noone can stop you from. But, ending that child's life is just that- ending a life
I am fully aware that too many 'men' are not actually men, if you follow me. I am fully in support of harsher penalties on derelict 'fathers', and am active in the lives of youth in my community, frequently coming in contact with young guys who need counseling in that area. Where's the call? I'm making it and noone's saying you shouldn't either- please do. Its a needed call, and an essential one to tackle the overall problem of a loss of personal responsibility amongst Americans.

]]> By: katiefranklin http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29335 katiefranklin Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:19:06 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29335 Yea it does. In your example, your choice is dictated by who's closest, easiest to save, etc, then hope that the firefighters can save the rest. You did your best and that's all anyone asked. In my example, you're making a choice as to who you WANT to save, not out of practicality seeing as they're both equally save-able. Would you feel as morally torn in your situation as your would mine? How would your children feel knowing you cared more for (or even equal to) some frozen embryos than u did about them?<br><br>And when you say that a woman's rights end when she becomes pregnant and her fetus's rights take over, then you ARE saying the fetus's rights are superior. That's what "take over" means, to be in charge of, have more power than. Why should my rights as a woman and a human being end just because I got pregnant? Sure pregnancy isn't the fetus's fault, but it's only 1/2 the woman's fault (sometimes not even if she was raped). Where's the call for men to stand up and take any responsibility for their offspring? Yea it does. In your example, your choice is dictated by who's closest, easiest to save, etc, then hope that the firefighters can save the rest. You did your best and that's all anyone asked. In my example, you're making a choice as to who you WANT to save, not out of practicality seeing as they're both equally save-able. Would you feel as morally torn in your situation as your would mine? How would your children feel knowing you cared more for (or even equal to) some frozen embryos than u did about them?

And when you say that a woman's rights end when she becomes pregnant and her fetus's rights take over, then you ARE saying the fetus's rights are superior. That's what “take over” means, to be in charge of, have more power than. Why should my rights as a woman and a human being end just because I got pregnant? Sure pregnancy isn't the fetus's fault, but it's only 1/2 the woman's fault (sometimes not even if she was raped). Where's the call for men to stand up and take any responsibility for their offspring?

]]> By: JCBlakeney http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29332 JCBlakeney Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:36:45 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29332 You can call it what you want, but its science. My sperm has my DNA; your eggs have your DNA. Put them together and we've got new DNA that is completely independent of both of us. What is an organism with human DNA? A human, of course! <br>The only differences between an unborn child (zygote or embryo) are appearance, location, level of dependence and stage of development. We don't discriminate against a born person based on any of these descriptions. The only way its gotten away with on unborn humans is 'out of sight, out of mind'. You can't defend abortion or other embryo destruction using scientific or medical facts, only emotions and opinions.<br>Noone is trying to give the unborn MORE rights than mothers, simply equal rights. Sure, you've got rights to your body, but that person is a person- not part of your body.<br>Please don't use the "you're a man" argument, either. My wife's just as pro-life and I am, and most leaders in the pro-life movement are women. You can call it what you want, but its science. My sperm has my DNA; your eggs have your DNA. Put them together and we've got new DNA that is completely independent of both of us. What is an organism with human DNA? A human, of course!
The only differences between an unborn child (zygote or embryo) are appearance, location, level of dependence and stage of development. We don't discriminate against a born person based on any of these descriptions. The only way its gotten away with on unborn humans is 'out of sight, out of mind'. You can't defend abortion or other embryo destruction using scientific or medical facts, only emotions and opinions.
Noone is trying to give the unborn MORE rights than mothers, simply equal rights. Sure, you've got rights to your body, but that person is a person- not part of your body.
Please don't use the “you're a man” argument, either. My wife's just as pro-life and I am, and most leaders in the pro-life movement are women.

]]> By: JCBlakeney http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29331 JCBlakeney Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:32:11 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29331 First, we're saying equal rights, not superior rights. Your rights end where another's begin. Sure, right to your body, but we're talking about the body of the unborn child. The bottom line is that the pregnancy isn't the child's fault, no matter whose it is. <br>This is an irrelevant situation you've concocted. Let's say I'm running an orphanage with 200 children. I can only save several children myself and the others die in this fire. Am I a murderer? No, I'm not. If I started the fire, sure, but your 'example' makes no sense. First, we're saying equal rights, not superior rights. Your rights end where another's begin. Sure, right to your body, but we're talking about the body of the unborn child. The bottom line is that the pregnancy isn't the child's fault, no matter whose it is.
This is an irrelevant situation you've concocted. Let's say I'm running an orphanage with 200 children. I can only save several children myself and the others die in this fire. Am I a murderer? No, I'm not. If I started the fire, sure, but your 'example' makes no sense.

]]> By: annietaylor http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29310 annietaylor Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:27:41 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29310 What do you mean, "some" Jews? That is as much a part of the Jewish faith as "Jesus died for our sins" is part of the Christian faith. Again, the issue you cite, re: children, concerns human beings that have already been born. And, again, you are saying that a zygote inside of me has more rights than I do. And again, Bull. And if abortion were a sacrament, the race wouldn't survive long...I ask you to respond to the initial statement that if government has a right to make these decisions for women, usurping their power over their own body, then what can possibly prevent them from making laws in the other direction: like forcing women to have abortions if the circumstances were conducive to it. The way it is now, I can't force anyone to have an abortion based on what might be good for the environment or whatever, but the trade-off is, you can't force me to carry a child to term if I determine that it is not in my best interests. What do you mean, “some” Jews? That is as much a part of the Jewish faith as “Jesus died for our sins” is part of the Christian faith. Again, the issue you cite, re: children, concerns human beings that have already been born. And, again, you are saying that a zygote inside of me has more rights than I do. And again, Bull. And if abortion were a sacrament, the race wouldn't survive long…I ask you to respond to the initial statement that if government has a right to make these decisions for women, usurping their power over their own body, then what can possibly prevent them from making laws in the other direction: like forcing women to have abortions if the circumstances were conducive to it. The way it is now, I can't force anyone to have an abortion based on what might be good for the environment or whatever, but the trade-off is, you can't force me to carry a child to term if I determine that it is not in my best interests.

]]> By: annietaylor http://coloradoindependent.com/41283/anti-abortion-%e2%80%98personhood%e2%80%99-measures-shrink-the-rights-of-women/comment-page-1#comment-29309 annietaylor Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:25:46 +0000 http://coloradoindependent.com/?p=41283#comment-29309 Now that is just ridiculous. You cannot compare some zygote in my belly with beating a living, breathing person. Your view implies that the zygote in my belly has more rights than I do. Bull. I could turn it around and say masturbation should be outlawed because it wastes sperm that could become viable. Now that is just ridiculous. You cannot compare some zygote in my belly with beating a living, breathing person. Your view implies that the zygote in my belly has more rights than I do. Bull. I could turn it around and say masturbation should be outlawed because it wastes sperm that could become viable.

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