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		<title>By: cireader</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/38266/catholic-bishops-silent-on-private-insurance-and-abortion/comment-page-1#comment-35406</link>
		<dc:creator>cireader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, your speech about health care reform was a nice diversion.  But your article was about the Church, and the extraordinary claim of favoritism for some hypothetical entity called &quot;private insurers&quot;. Church opposition to abortion ANYWHERE is legendary!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Skeptics say &quot;&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence&quot;.  If someone accused you of favoring &quot;private insurers&quot; because they pay for ads in the CI, or any other imaginary accusation, would you feel obligated to prove that the claim is not true?  That could lead to an endless cycle of suspicion by your readers.  &quot;Is he covering it up?&quot;  Ergo, the innuendo, when readers beleive that there must be substance to the wild accusations.  It&#039;s called &quot;The Big Lie Method.&quot;, and this is why Dan Brown came to mind.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Like you, the Church need not respond to this rather silly accusation until some credible journalist presents some extraordinay evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, your speech about health care reform was a nice diversion.  But your article was about the Church, and the extraordinary claim of favoritism for some hypothetical entity called &#8220;private insurers&#8221;. Church opposition to abortion ANYWHERE is legendary!  </p>
<p>Skeptics say &#8220;&#8221;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence&#8221;.  If someone accused you of favoring &#8220;private insurers&#8221; because they pay for ads in the CI, or any other imaginary accusation, would you feel obligated to prove that the claim is not true?  That could lead to an endless cycle of suspicion by your readers.  &#8220;Is he covering it up?&#8221;  Ergo, the innuendo, when readers beleive that there must be substance to the wild accusations.  It&#39;s called &#8220;The Big Lie Method.&#8221;, and this is why Dan Brown came to mind.</p>
<p>Like you, the Church need not respond to this rather silly accusation until some credible journalist presents some extraordinay evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: danps</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/38266/catholic-bishops-silent-on-private-insurance-and-abortion/comment-page-1#comment-35401</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;re kind of asking me to prove a negative.  The sentence &quot;the Catholic Church has focused all of its energy and activism on government’s role but left the private sector off scot-free&quot; consists of two points: The assertion that Church leaders have focused activism on government&#039;s role (USCCB statement is against government role and is linked to - therefore the statement is supported with evidence) and that it has not focused on private insurers (how does one link to that which does not exist?)  Anyone who wants to disprove the second can provide links establishing such evidence, and I&#039;ll be happy to update the post with it.  But I also was careful to emphasize focus as well.  Chaput wrote a WSJ op-ed about why Catholics shouldn&#039;t vote for Kerry, but I found no comparably visible evidence of a similar stance against private insurers (again, how could I link to that which doesn&#039;t exist?)  That&#039;s the problem in microcosm: Even of there&#039;s something floating around somewhere about the evil of abortions funded via private insurance, it certainly doesn&#039;t get the same emphasis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#39;re kind of asking me to prove a negative.  The sentence &#8220;the Catholic Church has focused all of its energy and activism on government’s role but left the private sector off scot-free&#8221; consists of two points: The assertion that Church leaders have focused activism on government&#39;s role (USCCB statement is against government role and is linked to &#8211; therefore the statement is supported with evidence) and that it has not focused on private insurers (how does one link to that which does not exist?)  Anyone who wants to disprove the second can provide links establishing such evidence, and I&#39;ll be happy to update the post with it.  But I also was careful to emphasize focus as well.  Chaput wrote a WSJ op-ed about why Catholics shouldn&#39;t vote for Kerry, but I found no comparably visible evidence of a similar stance against private insurers (again, how could I link to that which doesn&#39;t exist?)  That&#39;s the problem in microcosm: Even of there&#39;s something floating around somewhere about the evil of abortions funded via private insurance, it certainly doesn&#39;t get the same emphasis.</p>
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		<title>By: johntomasic</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CIreader,&lt;br&gt;There is no gossip and innuendo. We await a response. Does the Catholic Church encourage believers to protest insurance companies that pay for abortions and whose operating costs underwrite the abortion business?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The answer so far is silence. We have never reported that it has been anything but silence. But in everything the Church and Chaput have said about health reform, the focus has been on the fear that tax-payers would be forced to subsidize abortions. That that is Chaput&#039;s main concern in the matter of contemporary health care reform is a matter of record. See Chaput&#039;s writing on the matter. Nowhere has he acknowledged the fact that Americans give more right now to health insurance companies directly than they pay in taxes, especially more than they would pay in taxes to support a government health care plan. Nor has he acknowledged that Americans have less control over how insurance companies spend their money than they would over how the government would spend their money under the plan Chaput has cast under suspicion and lead people to fight against.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One system is in effect right now. It is an egregiously inadequate and inefficient and unfair system and it pays for abortions. The Catholic Bishops have not spoken about it, if they have, they have not done so with any of the fervor with which they have opposed the Democratic health plan, which absolutely does have some regulations in place to guard against indiscriminate funding of abortion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as abortion is concerned, the government plan would seem the better of the two plans in that it allows citizens to control spending through voting. There is no voting at Aetna and, as you say, there is no free market in health care either, no matter how many times that canard is repeated.  So, seen thru that lens, it&#039;s difficult to understand why Chaput opposes the health reform plan as a sly way to increase access to abortion? It&#039;s a legitimate question that he could clear up very quickly, it seems to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CIreader,<br />There is no gossip and innuendo. We await a response. Does the Catholic Church encourage believers to protest insurance companies that pay for abortions and whose operating costs underwrite the abortion business?</p>
<p>The answer so far is silence. We have never reported that it has been anything but silence. But in everything the Church and Chaput have said about health reform, the focus has been on the fear that tax-payers would be forced to subsidize abortions. That that is Chaput&#39;s main concern in the matter of contemporary health care reform is a matter of record. See Chaput&#39;s writing on the matter. Nowhere has he acknowledged the fact that Americans give more right now to health insurance companies directly than they pay in taxes, especially more than they would pay in taxes to support a government health care plan. Nor has he acknowledged that Americans have less control over how insurance companies spend their money than they would over how the government would spend their money under the plan Chaput has cast under suspicion and lead people to fight against.   </p>
<p>One system is in effect right now. It is an egregiously inadequate and inefficient and unfair system and it pays for abortions. The Catholic Bishops have not spoken about it, if they have, they have not done so with any of the fervor with which they have opposed the Democratic health plan, which absolutely does have some regulations in place to guard against indiscriminate funding of abortion.</p>
<p>As far as abortion is concerned, the government plan would seem the better of the two plans in that it allows citizens to control spending through voting. There is no voting at Aetna and, as you say, there is no free market in health care either, no matter how many times that canard is repeated.  So, seen thru that lens, it&#39;s difficult to understand why Chaput opposes the health reform plan as a sly way to increase access to abortion? It&#39;s a legitimate question that he could clear up very quickly, it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: cireader</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your couteous response on the link above, and it was good to hear some facts about Chaput&#039;s courteous response to you.  But you claimed to have presented your research to the readers, and said &quot;obviously it will strike each reader differently&quot;.  What research did you present on your thesis, which you stated as:  &quot; the Catholic Church has focused all of its energy and activism on government’s role but left the private sector off scot-free. &quot;?  All your readers are waiting for you to reveal this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Please feel free to cross-post this reply on your site.  As for me, you currently have a big credibility gap, so I&#039;ll move on to more productive reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your couteous response on the link above, and it was good to hear some facts about Chaput&#39;s courteous response to you.  But you claimed to have presented your research to the readers, and said &#8220;obviously it will strike each reader differently&#8221;.  What research did you present on your thesis, which you stated as:  &#8221; the Catholic Church has focused all of its energy and activism on government’s role but left the private sector off scot-free. &#8220;?  All your readers are waiting for you to reveal this.</p>
<p>Please feel free to cross-post this reply on your site.  As for me, you currently have a big credibility gap, so I&#39;ll move on to more productive reading.</p>
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		<title>By: johntomasic</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Dan. It is a great question that I am amazed more of us haven&#039;t been asking during all the hubaloo these last weeks. So much for all that hollow talk of freedom and liberty!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Dan. It is a great question that I am amazed more of us haven&#39;t been asking during all the hubaloo these last weeks. So much for all that hollow talk of freedom and liberty!</p>
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