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		<title>By: dbruce</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-15458</link>
		<dc:creator>dbruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I have always been told&lt;/strong&gt; to read what I sign. I believe that all petitions state &quot;Do not sign this petition unless you have read or have had read to you the proposed petition in its entirety and understand its meaning.&quot; or some wording like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I have always been told</strong> to read what I sign. I believe that all petitions state &#8220;Do not sign this petition unless you have read or have had read to you the proposed petition in its entirety and understand its meaning.&#8221; or some wording like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthteller</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-15457</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;So the real question is,......&lt;/strong&gt; ....is it &quot;voter fraud&quot; to take and advance a position that a number of voters don&#039;t understand because of their own ignorance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>So the real question is,&#8230;&#8230;</strong> &#8230;.is it &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; to take and advance a position that a number of voters don&#39;t understand because of their own ignorance?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin Rosa</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-15456</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Heh.&lt;/strong&gt; Reminds me of a TV show where hosts circulated petitions around a mall to &quot;end suffrage for women.&quot; Since many people didn&#039;t even know what suffrage meant, they got lots of signatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Heh.</strong> Reminds me of a TV show where hosts circulated petitions around a mall to &#8220;end suffrage for women.&#8221; Since many people didn&#39;t even know what suffrage meant, they got lots of signatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Oh-Willeke</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-15455</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Oh-Willeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 12:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The notion that petition requirements do anything&lt;/strong&gt; but impose an indirect filing fee is disproven by this case.&#160; With enough money, anybody can get a sufficient number of people (a tiny percentage of the entire electorate) to sign almost anything.&#160; &lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I doubt that there is any initiative for which every signatory to the petition understood what the intiative really meant, although the marketing of this measure to petition signers was probably worse than most.&#160; The conversation in front of a grocery store typically involves very few words and because of its context can&#039;t be very informative, and the number of initiatives circulating at any one time is too great for an average citizen to keep track of.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The progressives who thought that the initiative process would give power to the people and take it from monied interests and put that power in the Colorado constitution for that reason were mistaken.&#160; While there are campaign finance and lobbyist issues in the state house as well, pure cash alone is not enough to get a bill considered seriously in the general assembly, but it is enough to get an issue on the ballot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The initiative process also removes everyone but the self-appointed handful of people in a smoke filled room who draft it from having any say over the details or any ability to force substantive amendments or compromises.&#160; No legislator has this kind of take or it leave it power to shield a bill from facing amendments.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The vast majority of recent initiatives have gotten on the ballot only through the aid of a small number of major financial backers for each one.&#160; Money can&#039;t buy a majority vote of the people, but it can get almost anything on the ballot and can strongly persaude the public on the merits through advertising (which is quite efficient in Colorado since Colorado has most of its population in a small number of media markets which are overwhelmingly in a single state).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The initiative process does provide a way to break the gordian knot of intractable countermajoritarian coalitions in the legislature, but it operates on a pay to play basis with a very high price of admission.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The notion that petition requirements do anything</strong> but impose an indirect filing fee is disproven by this case.&nbsp; With enough money, anybody can get a sufficient number of people (a tiny percentage of the entire electorate) to sign almost anything.&nbsp;
<p>I doubt that there is any initiative for which every signatory to the petition understood what the intiative really meant, although the marketing of this measure to petition signers was probably worse than most.&nbsp; The conversation in front of a grocery store typically involves very few words and because of its context can&#39;t be very informative, and the number of initiatives circulating at any one time is too great for an average citizen to keep track of.</p>
<p>The progressives who thought that the initiative process would give power to the people and take it from monied interests and put that power in the Colorado constitution for that reason were mistaken.&nbsp; While there are campaign finance and lobbyist issues in the state house as well, pure cash alone is not enough to get a bill considered seriously in the general assembly, but it is enough to get an issue on the ballot.</p>
<p>The initiative process also removes everyone but the self-appointed handful of people in a smoke filled room who draft it from having any say over the details or any ability to force substantive amendments or compromises.&nbsp; No legislator has this kind of take or it leave it power to shield a bill from facing amendments.</p>
<p>The vast majority of recent initiatives have gotten on the ballot only through the aid of a small number of major financial backers for each one.&nbsp; Money can&#39;t buy a majority vote of the people, but it can get almost anything on the ballot and can strongly persaude the public on the merits through advertising (which is quite efficient in Colorado since Colorado has most of its population in a small number of media markets which are overwhelmingly in a single state).</p>
<p>The initiative process does provide a way to break the gordian knot of intractable countermajoritarian coalitions in the legislature, but it operates on a pay to play basis with a very high price of admission.</p></p>
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		<title>By: oldbogus</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-15454</link>
		<dc:creator>oldbogus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No rights&lt;/strong&gt; are equal rights so what&#039;s the prob? They didn&#039;t lie; they just obfuscated.&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t like the way the white guys are running things? Be revolting, mon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No rights</strong> are equal rights so what&#39;s the prob? They didn&#39;t lie; they just obfuscated.
<p>Don&#39;t like the way the white guys are running things? Be revolting, mon.</p>
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		<title>By: oldbogus</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-6768</link>
		<dc:creator>oldbogus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No rights&lt;/strong&gt; are equal rights so what&#039;s the prob? They didn&#039;t lie; they just obfuscated.&lt;p&gt;
Don&#039;t like the way the white guys are running things? Be revolting, mon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No rights</strong> are equal rights so what&#8217;s the prob? They didn&#8217;t lie; they just obfuscated.
<p>
Don&#8217;t like the way the white guys are running things? Be revolting, mon.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Oh-Willeke</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-6769</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Oh-Willeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The notion that petition requirements do anything&lt;/strong&gt; but impose an indirect filing fee is disproven by this case.&#160; With enough money, anybody can get a sufficient number of people (a tiny percentage of the entire electorate) to sign almost anything.&#160; &lt;p&gt;
I doubt that there is any initiative for which every signatory to the petition understood what the intiative really meant, although the marketing of this measure to petition signers was probably worse than most.&#160; The conversation in front of a grocery store typically involves very few words and because of its context can&#039;t be very informative, and the number of initiatives circulating at any one time is too great for an average citizen to keep track of.&lt;p&gt;
The progressives who thought that the initiative process would give power to the people and take it from monied interests and put that power in the Colorado constitution for that reason were mistaken.&#160; While there are campaign finance and lobbyist issues in the state house as well, pure cash alone is not enough to get a bill considered seriously in the general assembly, but it is enough to get an issue on the ballot.&lt;p&gt;
The initiative process also removes everyone but the self-appointed handful of people in a smoke filled room who draft it from having any say over the details or any ability to force substantive amendments or compromises.&#160; No legislator has this kind of take or it leave it power to shield a bill from facing amendments.&lt;p&gt;
The vast majority of recent initiatives have gotten on the ballot only through the aid of a small number of major financial backers for each one.&#160; Money can&#039;t buy a majority vote of the people, but it can get almost anything on the ballot and can strongly persaude the public on the merits through advertising (which is quite efficient in Colorado since Colorado has most of its population in a small number of media markets which are overwhelmingly in a single state).&lt;p&gt;
The initiative process does provide a way to break the gordian knot of intractable countermajoritarian coalitions in the legislature, but it operates on a pay to play basis with a very high price of admission.&lt;p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The notion that petition requirements do anything</strong> but impose an indirect filing fee is disproven by this case.&nbsp; With enough money, anybody can get a sufficient number of people (a tiny percentage of the entire electorate) to sign almost anything.&nbsp;
<p>
I doubt that there is any initiative for which every signatory to the petition understood what the intiative really meant, although the marketing of this measure to petition signers was probably worse than most.&nbsp; The conversation in front of a grocery store typically involves very few words and because of its context can&#8217;t be very informative, and the number of initiatives circulating at any one time is too great for an average citizen to keep track of.</p>
<p>
The progressives who thought that the initiative process would give power to the people and take it from monied interests and put that power in the Colorado constitution for that reason were mistaken.&nbsp; While there are campaign finance and lobbyist issues in the state house as well, pure cash alone is not enough to get a bill considered seriously in the general assembly, but it is enough to get an issue on the ballot.</p>
<p>
The initiative process also removes everyone but the self-appointed handful of people in a smoke filled room who draft it from having any say over the details or any ability to force substantive amendments or compromises.&nbsp; No legislator has this kind of take or it leave it power to shield a bill from facing amendments.</p>
<p>
The vast majority of recent initiatives have gotten on the ballot only through the aid of a small number of major financial backers for each one.&nbsp; Money can&#8217;t buy a majority vote of the people, but it can get almost anything on the ballot and can strongly persaude the public on the merits through advertising (which is quite efficient in Colorado since Colorado has most of its population in a small number of media markets which are overwhelmingly in a single state).</p>
<p>
The initiative process does provide a way to break the gordian knot of intractable countermajoritarian coalitions in the legislature, but it operates on a pay to play basis with a very high price of admission.</p></p>
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		<title>By: Erin Rosa</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-6770</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Heh.&lt;/strong&gt; Reminds me of a TV show where hosts circulated petitions around a mall to &quot;end suffrage for women.&quot; Since many people didn&#039;t even know what suffrage meant, they got lots of signatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Heh.</strong> Reminds me of a TV show where hosts circulated petitions around a mall to &#8220;end suffrage for women.&#8221; Since many people didn&#8217;t even know what suffrage meant, they got lots of signatures.</p>
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		<title>By: Truthteller</title>
		<link>http://coloradoindependent.com/3504/group-claims-dozens-perhaps-thousands-duped-in-voter-fraud/comment-page-1#comment-6771</link>
		<dc:creator>Truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;So the real question is,......&lt;/strong&gt; ....is it &quot;voter fraud&quot; to take and advance a position that a number of voters don&#039;t understand because of their own ignorance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>So the real question is,&#8230;&#8230;</strong> &#8230;.is it &#8220;voter fraud&#8221; to take and advance a position that a number of voters don&#8217;t understand because of their own ignorance?</p>
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		<title>By: dbruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I have always been told&lt;/strong&gt; to read what I sign. I believe that all petitions state &quot;Do not sign this petition unless you have read or have had read to you the proposed petition in its entirety and understand its meaning.&quot; or some wording like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I have always been told</strong> to read what I sign. I believe that all petitions state &#8220;Do not sign this petition unless you have read or have had read to you the proposed petition in its entirety and understand its meaning.&#8221; or some wording like that.</p>
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