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		<title>By: dotson</title>
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		<dc:creator>dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Barbara Dotson&lt;/strong&gt; I agree, I am a registered Democrat and will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.&lt;p&gt;&#160; BUT I WILL NOT VOTE for De Gette and will even vote a Republican in if someone runs. We need a change.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Barbara Dotson</strong> I agree, I am a registered Democrat and will vote for Obama if he wins the nomination.
<p>&nbsp; BUT I WILL NOT VOTE for De Gette and will even vote a Republican in if someone runs. We need a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Extended funding&lt;/strong&gt; Can you read, extened funding, MORE TAXES, we really need that and no where has that system ever worked in the world. Social medicine is horrible, I lived in Canada and Japand and I assure you it is bad. Wait till you can&#039;t see your doctor for a month wiht an emergency or you can&#039;t get major surgery for six months, and I promise you that will happen. And it will happen fast since they will cut all doctors payd and the hospital can&#039;t afford to stay in business and then write an article and say how much you love it. OR call someone in Japan and just ask them, by theway there are no more public hospital there they are all small and privately owned and if you can get in one you are in a ward with about 50 others screaming, crying and hurting&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember Canada in the late 8-&#039;s all the doctors came to America because they only could make $50,000 and the government would not by new equipment across the country. Most major surgery now comes to the US.As for major surgery in Japan they go to Bangkok.&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yea, we really want Clintons plan. Amazing...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Extended funding</strong> Can you read, extened funding, MORE TAXES, we really need that and no where has that system ever worked in the world. Social medicine is horrible, I lived in Canada and Japand and I assure you it is bad. Wait till you can&#39;t see your doctor for a month wiht an emergency or you can&#39;t get major surgery for six months, and I promise you that will happen. And it will happen fast since they will cut all doctors payd and the hospital can&#39;t afford to stay in business and then write an article and say how much you love it. OR call someone in Japan and just ask them, by theway there are no more public hospital there they are all small and privately owned and if you can get in one you are in a ward with about 50 others screaming, crying and hurting</p>
<p>Remember Canada in the late 8-&#39;s all the doctors came to America because they only could make $50,000 and the government would not by new equipment across the country. Most major surgery now comes to the US.As for major surgery in Japan they go to Bangkok.
<p>Yea, we really want Clintons plan. Amazing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Lou</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linda Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Integrit&lt;/strong&gt; Are we forgetting who the Clintons are, Integrity, you have to be kidding me that you could ever believe anything they say. Google them read about ther past, and then say yeap I believe them and go vote. Amazing what candidates we have today. One thing for sure we can make a difference in Denver and get De Gette out, she has turned her back on Denver and we need a leader from here. If we want out taxes to go up, insurance to keep rising, and jobs to stay away from here vote her in otherwise, we needsomeone to listen to Denver and help us turn things around.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I agree with the posting above , it&#039;s time for a change.&lt;/br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Integrit</strong> Are we forgetting who the Clintons are, Integrity, you have to be kidding me that you could ever believe anything they say. Google them read about ther past, and then say yeap I believe them and go vote. Amazing what candidates we have today. One thing for sure we can make a difference in Denver and get De Gette out, she has turned her back on Denver and we need a leader from here. If we want out taxes to go up, insurance to keep rising, and jobs to stay away from here vote her in otherwise, we needsomeone to listen to Denver and help us turn things around.</p>
<p>I agree with the posting above , it&#39;s time for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: jay sero</title>
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		<dc:creator>jay sero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;De Gette Remarks&lt;/strong&gt; The biggest concern we should have is De Gette the Congresswomen. She supports the Clinton plan that will cost our people dearly and to make it mandantory that all own insurance is incredibly stupid just do the numberd. It will bring our society to it&#039;s knee&#039;d but I forgot that&#039;s the DeGette and Clinton plan, otherwise socialism will not work.&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s time to remove Degette from office and put anyone in that has some business sense. We just need a candidate. She has deserted Denver and it&#039;s time for a change as Obama says very clearly Get her out of office in 2008.The Congress has a worse rating than Bush and the worse in our history. Wake up Denver ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>De Gette Remarks</strong> The biggest concern we should have is De Gette the Congresswomen. She supports the Clinton plan that will cost our people dearly and to make it mandantory that all own insurance is incredibly stupid just do the numberd. It will bring our society to it&#39;s knee&#39;d but I forgot that&#39;s the DeGette and Clinton plan, otherwise socialism will not work.
<p>It&#39;s time to remove Degette from office and put anyone in that has some business sense. We just need a candidate. She has deserted Denver and it&#39;s time for a change as Obama says very clearly Get her out of office in 2008.The Congress has a worse rating than Bush and the worse in our history. Wake up Denver ..</p>
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		<title>By: A.Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;the Impeachment issue is stupid&lt;/strong&gt; I am no fan of DeGette (and I vainly wish someone of substance would run against her).&#160; But she is right to ignore the nutty smattering of people who demand impeachment.&#160; Get real, people, or else you will be even more obsolete (if possible).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>the Impeachment issue is stupid</strong> I am no fan of DeGette (and I vainly wish someone of substance would run against her).&nbsp; But she is right to ignore the nutty smattering of people who demand impeachment.&nbsp; Get real, people, or else you will be even more obsolete (if possible).</p>
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		<title>By: Truthteller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Truthteller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;So, don&#039;t do what Hillary wants, and&lt;/strong&gt; she&#039;ll take your salary (that which you have left after taxes).&#160; Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>So, don&#39;t do what Hillary wants, and</strong> she&#39;ll take your salary (that which you have left after taxes).&nbsp; Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 15:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;thanks GCD!&lt;/strong&gt; Your apology was gracious and classy. Thank you for correcting your misstatement. &lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now on to the matter of the day: mandates or no mandates. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The principle difference between the Clinton and Obama health care plans is whether to require coverage. Both include subsidies to assist people to buy coverage. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;To Clinton&#039;s point, nonpartisan and non-campaign affiliated health care policy analysts argue that cost containmment and risk pool expansion cannot be achieved without mandating coverage. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sen. Clinton&#039;s statement today that her plan mandating coverage may employ wage garnishment or automatic enrollment in a plan could be argued a couple of different ways: Was it a verbal miscue that will doom her political fortunes? Was it a rare and honest description of what universal health care demands of the American public? I guess it depends on whose camp one is sitting in. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s also the issue of what kind of care are we mandating here -- full-blown comprehensive, keep-you-out-of-financial-ruin basic coverage, or a hybrid? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then, there are the arguments about whether any universal plan should be propping up an already sick health care system of private insurers whose very profits are threatened by paying claims and an inflexible access system that rations care -- yes, we do ration care in the US. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Who are the estimated 45 million Americans without coverage: people who can&#039;t afford coverage, those without employer-subsidized care, young invincibles who don&#039;t think they need coverage, or the uninsurable with pre-existing conditions? Are the mandates reciprocal to the insurance industry and how does the American public feel about the government telling business what to do? The health care sector represents 16% of the nation&#039;s GDP. You know there&#039;s a quid pro quo in the mandate schemes for a very powerful industry that goes well beyond expanding the risk pool and garnering more premiums from members? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 800-lb gorilla in the room that neither candidate has addressed: What&#039;s the effect of expanding coverage -- mandated or not -- on improving access to quality medical care? As Colorado Confidential and others have reported there is a serious shortage of providers in some areas of the state, especially in rural communities. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;We haven&#039;t even touched on single payer yet, which many Americans prefer over the Obama or Clinton proposals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m just now reading a health economist&#039;s study on the effect of mandates versus subsidies on people&#039;s decisions to get coverage or pay the penalty. It&#039;s interesting stuff from a sociological perspective that rarely gets mentioned in this debate. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;The long and short of it is that there are both practical and political pitfalls with each of the candidates&#039; health care proposals which I hope to explore later this week now that Colorado&#039;s 208 Commission has released its long-awaited report that also advocates mandated coverage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>thanks GCD!</strong> Your apology was gracious and classy. Thank you for correcting your misstatement.
<p>Now on to the matter of the day: mandates or no mandates. </p>
<p>The principle difference between the Clinton and Obama health care plans is whether to require coverage. Both include subsidies to assist people to buy coverage. </p>
<p>To Clinton&#39;s point, nonpartisan and non-campaign affiliated health care policy analysts argue that cost containmment and risk pool expansion cannot be achieved without mandating coverage. </p>
<p>Sen. Clinton&#39;s statement today that her plan mandating coverage may employ wage garnishment or automatic enrollment in a plan could be argued a couple of different ways: Was it a verbal miscue that will doom her political fortunes? Was it a rare and honest description of what universal health care demands of the American public? I guess it depends on whose camp one is sitting in. </p>
<p>There&#39;s also the issue of what kind of care are we mandating here &#8212; full-blown comprehensive, keep-you-out-of-financial-ruin basic coverage, or a hybrid? </p>
<p>Then, there are the arguments about whether any universal plan should be propping up an already sick health care system of private insurers whose very profits are threatened by paying claims and an inflexible access system that rations care &#8212; yes, we do ration care in the US. </p>
<p>Who are the estimated 45 million Americans without coverage: people who can&#39;t afford coverage, those without employer-subsidized care, young invincibles who don&#39;t think they need coverage, or the uninsurable with pre-existing conditions? Are the mandates reciprocal to the insurance industry and how does the American public feel about the government telling business what to do? The health care sector represents 16% of the nation&#39;s GDP. You know there&#39;s a quid pro quo in the mandate schemes for a very powerful industry that goes well beyond expanding the risk pool and garnering more premiums from members? </p>
<p>The 800-lb gorilla in the room that neither candidate has addressed: What&#39;s the effect of expanding coverage &#8212; mandated or not &#8212; on improving access to quality medical care? As Colorado Confidential and others have reported there is a serious shortage of providers in some areas of the state, especially in rural communities. </p>
<p>We haven&#39;t even touched on single payer yet, which many Americans prefer over the Obama or Clinton proposals.</p>
<p>I&#39;m just now reading a health economist&#39;s study on the effect of mandates versus subsidies on people&#39;s decisions to get coverage or pay the penalty. It&#39;s interesting stuff from a sociological perspective that rarely gets mentioned in this debate. </p>
<p>The long and short of it is that there are both practical and political pitfalls with each of the candidates&#39; health care proposals which I hope to explore later this week now that Colorado&#39;s 208 Commission has released its long-awaited report that also advocates mandated coverage.</p>
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		<title>By: greenchiledem</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenchiledem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;My apology to Cara.&lt;/strong&gt; Reading from the comments, I mistook the story as hers! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am very embarrassed about that and stand corrected.&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;However&lt;/strong&gt;, as I said, Senator Clinton so much as agreed with Senator Obama this morning on This Week. That&#039;s the point. This mailer is stating the truth. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31;_ylt=Akc8u7_y5Tq4ff31zJPGCtsE1vAI&quot;&gt;Yahoo News&#160; Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>My apology to Cara.</strong> Reading from the comments, I mistook the story as hers! </p>
<p>I am very embarrassed about that and stand corrected.
<p><strong>However</strong>, as I said, Senator Clinton so much as agreed with Senator Obama this morning on This Week. That&#39;s the point. This mailer is stating the truth. </p>
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<blockquote>WASHINGTON &#8211; Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Link: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31;_ylt=Akc8u7_y5Tq4ff31zJPGCtsE1vAI">Yahoo News&nbsp; Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Norris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;the mailer is in Colorado&lt;/strong&gt; Understandably, passions run high among supporters of each candidate however several items in your comment cannot be allowed to stand without correction:&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;- A friend in Longmont received the health care lit piece in his mailbox and passed it to me on Friday morning. Mark Mehringer (commenter above) also received it. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;- This item was posted following a press call arranged by the Clinton camp. It is their perogative on the timing and the supporters they make available to the press. Rep. DeGette is a long-time suppporter of Clinton&#039;s candidacy and&#160; a health care policy adviser for the campaign -- all of which were fully disclosed in the story. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;- The local Obama campaign declined to comment on the record after being given ample opportunity. Again, their perogative, but the outreach was made and noted in this story. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Cara had &lt;u&gt;nothing to do with this story&lt;/u&gt;. Please note the byline. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;- Colorado Confidential covers stories on politics and public policy as they relate to our state. As much as we are working to expand our state network, covering stories in other states without the benefit of our own reporting staff is very unlikely to result in coverage here. As I recall, there was considerable national reporting on the controversial NH abortion mailer which, again, falls outside the purview of this news organization&#039;s scope. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thus, insinuating bias in the reporting of this story has no merit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>the mailer is in Colorado</strong> Understandably, passions run high among supporters of each candidate however several items in your comment cannot be allowed to stand without correction:
<p>- A friend in Longmont received the health care lit piece in his mailbox and passed it to me on Friday morning. Mark Mehringer (commenter above) also received it. </p>
<p>- This item was posted following a press call arranged by the Clinton camp. It is their perogative on the timing and the supporters they make available to the press. Rep. DeGette is a long-time suppporter of Clinton&#39;s candidacy and&nbsp; a health care policy adviser for the campaign &#8212; all of which were fully disclosed in the story. </p>
<p>- The local Obama campaign declined to comment on the record after being given ample opportunity. Again, their perogative, but the outreach was made and noted in this story. </p>
<p>- Cara had <u>nothing to do with this story</u>. Please note the byline. </p>
<p>- Colorado Confidential covers stories on politics and public policy as they relate to our state. As much as we are working to expand our state network, covering stories in other states without the benefit of our own reporting staff is very unlikely to result in coverage here. As I recall, there was considerable national reporting on the controversial NH abortion mailer which, again, falls outside the purview of this news organization&#39;s scope. </p>
<p>Thus, insinuating bias in the reporting of this story has no merit.</p>
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		<title>By: greenchiledem</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenchiledem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Sen. Clinton so much as admitted Sen. Obama&#039;s case on teevee&lt;/strong&gt; this morning. On This Week with Stephanopolis, she stumbled when answering about penalties if people don&#039;t sign up for her health care plan. That&#039;s the issue that Sen. Obama is trying to convey with his mailer. Do we want the health care police forcing us to pay for health insurance? &lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I do wonder why this is an issue on CoCo when the mailer has not gone to Colorado voters as far as I know? CoCo didn&#039;t report on the mailer sent in NH that lied about Sen. Obama being against abortion. Rep. DeGette didn&#039;t make hay about that now did she? Cara, your bias is being questioned here for good reason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sen. Clinton so much as admitted Sen. Obama&#39;s case on teevee</strong> this morning. On This Week with Stephanopolis, she stumbled when answering about penalties if people don&#39;t sign up for her health care plan. That&#39;s the issue that Sen. Obama is trying to convey with his mailer. Do we want the health care police forcing us to pay for health insurance?
<p>Also, I do wonder why this is an issue on CoCo when the mailer has not gone to Colorado voters as far as I know? CoCo didn&#39;t report on the mailer sent in NH that lied about Sen. Obama being against abortion. Rep. DeGette didn&#39;t make hay about that now did she? Cara, your bias is being questioned here for good reason.</p>
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